Nope, I don't agree with that line of thinking. From where I am looking your country is deeply in the crap and the government having to buy/bail out all those major companies that got themselves way over their heads in debt had to happen.

Who is really controlling your lives? If you are not careful you'll end up with a deluge of conspiracy nightmares, which incidentally was really kicked off by Bush and Cheney with that bloody Homeland Security fiasco that got all you fearing the dark like children.

Boy did that lot really milk the 9-11 incident.

I remember going through security at LA in 2006 and Jesus! I couldn't wait to get away from all that fear mongering of constant security checks!

Only be concerned when critics start disappearing etc

I don't expect 1984 to be done by Barack Obama

That's just pure "crap", Maddy. He hasn't "taken over the banks". The US government lent
them money via an equity stake. Some are already well on their way to paying the government back.

CK

as for my "takeover" comment. That's exactly what it is. The banks didn't read the fine print apparently, and many of them are wishing they never took the money. the auto industry now "owes" the government. well... really the government now owns a stake in the success of the industries. Uncle sam helped them, now uncle sam needs to make sure they succeed in order for him to get his money back. What I find ABSOULTELY HILARIOUS is the fact that this cash for clunkers program... people are getting their $4.5k and buying cars made outside the US.

The Government assisting companies wasn't in the interest of these companies. Don't be fulled by CNN. or MSNBC. The government now has a say in what these banks do. they have a say in what the Auto industry does. Why did the auto industry need bailed out? Because there was new legislation on what type of vehical they could produce. And America didn't want to pay an additional $30k for a "green" vehical. so they were being forced to produce vehicals that wouldn't sell. Forced to do this by the government, and then what choice did they have but to be bailed out by the government? and Gee... Gosh Golly... who owns part of them now? the government.

I really wish you guys could see all the "little guys" going out of business right now. Business putting signs in their windows that read "No bail out for me, going out of business sale"

literally hundreds of them. Everywhere. I'm SO thankful to still have a job that is in demand.

you know... to save our economy... all Obama has to say is "Drill"

Oil could save us. We bough Alaska for it's natural resources... why aren't we using them? Russia saved it's own ass economically by using it's natural resources... Why can't America do that? By drilling oil, that would produce millions of jobs over night.... and save our ass. But no... that's not "green"

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Maddy....if the government hadn't helped the banks 3 or 4 large banks would have failed.
THEN you would have seen rioting in the streets. Even if McCain had won he would have
done almost exactly what Obama did!!!!


You don't HAVE any oil left in the lower 48 states. Even if you find more oil in Alaska
getting it down to the lower 48 will mean using a huge fleet of tankers or 3 or 4 new
pipelines through Canada. I'll tell you right now I doubt Canada will allow more pipelines
to the USA through our country. The jobs will be localized to Alaska with some jobs for
pipe companies in the lower 48. That is if the oil companies even buy their pipe here.
They will most likely buy it from China!!!

You Americans have to stop thinking oil is the be all/end all for your economy.

CK

Sorry, but you've been misinformed Ken My wife works for one of the top 3 oil service companies in the world. North Dakota, Alaska, California, Texas and Arkansas have enough oil to supply the entire world for at least 30 years.

I understand that the banks needed bailed out. but call me old fashioned... but if a company fails... they fail. And the fact that the automotive industry was bailed out... and then bailed out a second time was a bit retarded. if a company isn't going to make it, then let them fail. Hell, at some point there was a company out there producing wooden wagon wheels. Imagine if the government kept bailing them out over and over and over. Sometimes, a business just needs to go under. I understand that a lot of people would have lost what was in their accounts. but perhaps instead of bailing out a loosing company, they write a check to the banks customers for their account balance, and tell the bank "Good Luck" That's all part of business.

something I find amusing is that the wealthy in this country are starting to invest their money in other countries. The top 3 percent wealthiest people in the US pay the majority of taxes, and they are starting to move out... The problem with using other peoples money is that eventually you run out of other people's money.

a stroke of Irony for you Ken, people are starting to research health care in Canada. The "Government Health care 'Option' " eliminates billing, they simply deduct the cost of the doc visit from your bank account. Sorry, but government access to my bank is not going to happen. I'll work for cash and shove it under my mattress before that happens.

I saw a sign on a liquor store today. It read: "Need help paying my health care, please help" lol

And I agree 100% on that. Why continually prop up a business that has been struggling for quite some time? Let it die and wait for what comes up out of the ashes.

Mind you those that manage these businesses into the ground with their decadence (or self interest) somehow avoid the fallout and pop back up in another business

I don't buy that at all. There may be oil there but it will most likely be VERY expensive to
recover. Granted, Alaska's oil reserves haven't been tapped but the tree huggers will
fight to the death to keep the oil companies out of the Alaskan wilderness.


And I tend to agree with you...GM and Chrysler should been sold off to who would ever
buy their divisions.

Ford has come out of this looking like geniuses!!!!!!!!! Secured financing from well before
the recession....bringing over their small European cars to North America....and a line of
VERY good domestic cars. We may live to see only one American car company
standing....Ford...the one that started it all.


I hope you don't think that's the way it works up here??????

We all have a CareCard....walk into a doctor's office....show the card....see the doc..walk
out of the docs. No money leaves my account...my taxes pay for it all. Same with the
X-rays, etc...paid by taxes. Yes, it's socialized medicine....but so is you fire department
and police department....those are both socialized services. Socialized medical care
doesn't make the US of A and instant communist country, Maddy.

CK

no, that's how Obama's health care "option" is set up. that's why we are all looking at Canadian health care. He wants to be able to tell us who we see, and when we see the doc, and how much we pay is detemined by how much Obama wants to deduct from my checking account.

The Oil is here... the green people are just trying to convince people it isn't. Even here in Colorado, we could drill extensively for another 15 years, but unfortunatly, it inhibits the migration of the jackalope 'r something... so all the major drilling companies have pulled out due to insane local regulations.... maybe it was an endangered spider... I forget.